I never knew before today and reading excerpts from Tony Bramwell's new book that the Fabs overdubbed the Shea vocals a few days after the show, in a studio while the performance was played on a movie projector. Apparantly, the audio source was via the PA system at Shea and sounded so horrible, they spent 4 hours dubbing the vocals. Could have fooled me (and have apparantly forever), they did an amazing job getting things on cue. Was this common knowledge or have I been ignorant all these years?
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I think this was a well-kept secret up until Mark Lewisohn's book came out some years back. Did you know that the audio track used for Twist and Shout was actually recorded at the Hollywood Bowl!? It's the exact same version as they released on their Live At the Hollywood Bowl LP back in 1977!
There is a track where it's REALLY obvious that it's not the original live audio track though - on Act Naturally I think (one of Ringo's anyway) - they have just overdubbed the studio version!
Didn't some of these re-recordings end up on Antholgy 2 - I'll have to check. I think Baby's in Black is on the Real Love CD single though.
I think Baby's in Black is on the Real Love CD single though.
I might be wrong, but my memory tells me that this Baby In Black version was recorded at the Hollywood Bowl. As well. It is on the Real Love cd single.
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Still, I'd like to hear the original Shea-recordings.
I don't think you'd be able to hear much of their performance - just imagine how much noise there was in that stadium!! Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!
I don't think you'd be able to hear much of their performance - just imagine how much noise there was in that stadium!! Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!
Mmm, I know. I'd like to hear the screaming then...
Well, that should be easy to determine. Unless they used other recording material or ways during the Shea Stadium concert, it's just screaming that you can hear...
The boots are the re-recorded version from the Special. It said alot of the crowd noise was also taken from the Hollywood Bowl. A very astute observation Mr. End about 'Act Naturally'-Bramwell said that was the toughest one of all.
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The Beatles might have lip synched just a bit to make it sound better in the concert documentary because Ticket To Ride & I'm Down are still mostly live as it happened since it's NOT exactly Milli Vanilli
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Just to clarify what is meant by lip-synching in this thread - The Beatles did not perform to a pre-recorded backing/vocal track at Shea Stadium. What they actually did was, after hearing the very poor audio track of their performance, re-record their set in the studio to closely match the Shea footage for broadcast on TV.
Just to clarify what is meant by lip-synching in this thread - The Beatles did not perform to a pre-recorded backing/vocal track at Shea Stadium. What they actually did was, after hearing the very poor audio track of their performance, re-record their set in the studio to closely match the Shea footage for broadcast on TV.
Correct, and according to Bramwell, they did it while watching their performance on a projector screen.
How strange. I mean, you could never tell. I love the Shea performance. It's so unique. I need to get the whole thing though. I only have what's one Anthology. You could become very poor trying to buy everything Beatles related you know.
the lipped it on quite a few different shows....john hated it,thats why he cut up on purpose so you could tell.it made paul giggle alot....but it was good fun...
With those tiny Vox amps trying to penetrate with all the screaming, they couldn't hear anything. They didn't have monitors back then. They just got fed up, they were on stage for about 26 minutes and probably figured it was an exercise in futility after awhile. The only times they really got to hear anything is when they were in Japan where the audience was (or had to be) subdued during the songs.
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the lipped it on quite a few different shows....john hated it,thats why he cut up on purpose so you could tell.it made paul giggle alot....but it was good fun...
Yeah, that had to mime most of their TV performances back in those days (same today with most bands) - it's weird watching Ringo pretending to hit his drums! As far as I'm aware they never mimed at their concerts though.
"This page is dedicated to a main event in the Beatles' history: the concert that they performed at the Shea Stadium, in August 1965, which probably remains the greatest and the craziest live moment of their career.
(adapted from the chronicles and diaries by Mark Lewisohn and Barry Miles)"
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"Just as it would be naive to believe that the sound on live-concert rock music albums is ever truly live and undoctored, so the same is true for live-concert films. In the case of the Beatles' momentous 15 August 1965 Shea Stadium concert, the audio tapes specifically revealed not only musical flaws on the Beatles' part but also technical imperfections caused by the sheer size of the venue, the high-decibel screaming and the less than state-of-the-art mobile recording equipment around in 1965. To have screened unaltered such a high-profile film on peak-time television would have done the group a disservice.? So it was that, amid some secrecy, the Beatles came to CTS Studios in central London on 5 January 1966, to "sweeten" the soundtrack, by whatever means necessary, of their in-production television film The Beatles At Shea Stadium.?
The session began with Paul only, overdubbing new bass tracks onto Dizzy Miss Lizzy, Can't Buy Me Love, Baby's In Black and I'm Down. Onto this latter song John also overdubbed a new organ track.?
More drastic repair work was then effected by the group as a whole, with entirely new recordings completed for two songs: I Feel Fine (done at George Martin's specific request) and Help! The Beatles strove to re-create a live-concert sound with these recordings rather than their more typical EMI studio feel, and they also had to match carefully their singing and playing with the on-screen images, hence the use of CTS, the premier audio-to-film dubbing studio in London. (CTS is an abbreviation for Cine Tele Sound.)?To fix Act Naturally the Beatles did nothing: the film's post-production team merely replaced the Shea recording with the Beatles' disc version (recorded 17 June 1965), sync-ing it to the picture by means of audience cutaways and even, in places, cuts in the music. (Intentionally or otherwise, one moment - where Ringo's vocal is evident but his mouth is closed - was left in the film uncorrected.)??
Documentation also suggests that John wished to record a new version of Ticket To Ride, and that it was done during this CTS session, but close study of the film indicates that the original Shea version was used (although perhaps a little instrumental overdubbing was effected).?
Additionally, George Martin desired a new recording of Twist And Shout, but there wasn't time to do this. Instead, the post-production team used the unreleased 30 August 1965 Hollywood Bowl concert recording to bolster the sound, causing - in one place - John's live vocal to be double - tracked. In fact, the Bowl recording was used extensively during the film's post-production processes for recordings of the screaming audience, especially on the two all-new London recordings.?
No doctoring appears to have been done to either She's A Woman or Everybody's Trying To Be Baby, suggesting that, by this time, they had already been excluded from the film. They were, however, included in an early print which Epstein received from Sullivan Productions around 5 November 1965, which then ran to 54 minutes. By January, as it would be for the transmission, the film's duration had been cut to just under 48 minutes.?"
I have to say that I never would have known about the lip-syncing at the Shea show. Seen it a million times, and it's usually easy to tell, even if it's a subtle slip, but they did an incredible job.
But the thing is is that when you're watching it, with the warm-up bands and Ed Sullivan, it just has a flow. When you are looking at it from a lip-sync point of view, you will notice whatever. I always thought the choppiness was from the primitive technology they had. Still a great video.
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